Basic points of fighting vs weapons We want to disengage behind our suspect to avoid getting run down by suspect think of person exiting clinch in mma with hands down but instead of punches its bullets or getting stabbed. Also exiting from the back prevents them from grabbing our guns as we start to put holes in them. If path to the back is not available/not where we are we need to find two hands to weapon and or bicep block. Its important that we learn to jam draws and control weapons because if they go for a weapon first as they likely will in all these situations they have the jump on us and we don't want to end up with new holes in us. The shivworks guys refer to this as the drag race scenario where you go for your weapon I see go for mine and its just who's faster by jamming their draw we can slow it down and we can hopefully keep them from getting a clean draw so then we can cleanly access our weapons and put holes in them. Goals are ideally no holes in anybody 2 holes in just bad guy 3 more severe holes in bad guy than in us. What we don't have happen is us being run down not be able to access our weapons and or end up in a M(utually)A(ssured)D(estruction) scenario. It is important that we tell them that the best way to make sure we don't end up with holes in these scenarios is to put threat stopping holes in the bg. All of these are lethal encounters and you should shoot them if they produce a gun or knife. Go ahead and assume that we are already within arms reach which is conversational range for policing interactions for all the scenarios.Any further than that imo best course of action is barriers and weapons. We've already decided that going hands on is the right reaction to our suspects actions or that he is not going to comply to our knowledge he is unarmed and were being proactive with our response to resistance. So were entangled now We end up with paul's preferred double underhook bodylock and we don't feel his hands actively being used against or we feel them go his waistline/our waistline. Best option duck under/throw by get to the back that way. All but one officer I have spoken to that has been stabbed did not see the weapon come out or realize they had been stabbed. So from the back we still have all the same bodylock takedowns we know and like from the front with the advantage of it being more difficult to be stabbed and or shot. And our hands should be on his belt line helping to restrict access to weapons and then we can switch to a cross wrist ride of sorts. Secondary option/ we realize we lost track of a hand go to the split seatbelt. When I say lose track of a hand I mean a handhas left the fight it's no longer
grabbing us being used in grappling or knowingly being used to strike us with just hands. That hand is mia. Split seatbelt we go to the elbow joint/bicep this position gives us the best mechanical advantage and chance of actually making the desired contact. Once we have bicep/elbow block with our left hand right hand feeds through blocks at the bicep as we step to the right straddling the leg head up hips in (to defend headlock/him pushing our head towards the blade) we then look at the hand and verify there is a lethal instrument in it. No weapon we can gobs valley drop ( I only like it here because our split seat belt helps us with the pin after the initial takedown) or we can go to any of our other takedowns. If we are right handed and go to the split seatbelt with our right hand we can access weapons with our left hand but since most of us are right handed it is preffered we go back to bicep block and shoot them in the hip till they fall down and we can disengage without being run down. Aim point is hip torso so we don't flag ourselves or have pass through. If we are split seatbelt on left keep seatbelt right hand gun same aim point. We lose track of hand and they turn into us hard -bicep block left hand right hand trace forearm to wrist as we pivot in front ending on opposite side ( this is my least favorite because I worry about traveling in front of the blade but when you focus on initially pushing wrist down and I just mention it to the students as im demoing and no one has been stabbed during this movement) from there arm high across the chest and we can spin them down similar to a straight arm bar takedown everyone picked this up quickly I have shown it to due to previous exposure to straight armbar takedown, you can also hip bump/wizzer kick/uchimata them from there to add velocity to td or as a finishing touch vs good suspect. This one led to the lowest amount of stabs once achieved and fewest suspects shots so it should be my favorite but I still worry. My preferred arm trap bodylock/over under clinch We elbow pass and continue to the back arm should be trapped tight enough and at the elbow so that they can only access from a handle down configuration Throw by to back They access weapon to the trapped arm side because we were loose/ too high on the arm we go Russian same side as trapped arm goes bicep other hand forearm/wrist As we go elbow pass they try to access appendix they can also do this as we pummel. Since this will most likely be a handgun we trace to wrist the baseball bat 2 on 1. I go 2 on 1 because I want to make sure the gun stays in the holster/pants. So we don't want to go Russian here heavy weight down we can
access firearm or continue to the back. Using the angle from the baseball bat to help and we then reach around them get second on their wrist. Controlling from the back I prefer a 2 on 1 from the back with our forearms just above the belt. This allows us to feel with our forearms any protusions from the belt line. And if a weapon has been brought out unbeknownst to us we have two hands on the weapon most likely. Were arms distance away and in front of our suspect still he presents knife we go bicep elbow block. Once we have bicep block its important that we drive into them. Our goal is to force their arm back to its maximum extension. This ensures that we maintain constant control/contact of that limb. His defense is to create separation by backing up or being able to extend the arm further than we can push it so we lose contact then we have a free swinging blade. The only time ive seen the officer lose this position is after I explained the counter to it to the suspect . once we have the bicep block if its with left hand we can use right hand to access firearm don't extend the firearm chest pectoral index shoothip/pelvis. Its important we keep chest index so that we don't end up with them grabbing our gun barrel . If they attack lefty so we go right bicep block we can go Russian as previously described vs hard turn in or we can go baseball bat two on one. Baseball bat two on one weight goes down we get head position forehead to temple from here we can start going behind keep left hand on weapon access firearmor we can climb the rope to the previously mentioned Russian stuff. Drills To help get them used to keeping track of hands just pummeling and as you lose track of One go to bicep block or baseball bat. One person will have a knife and tell them to randomly try to access weapon then once they react reset. Start in the bicep block position just so they gain confidence in this position. We isolate it so they can learn in it. Set timer for 5 seconds then they can access weapon. Same thing but Russian. Baseball two on one Now live sparring..Start them in the clinch 30 second gos Now arms distance apart suspect can either present weapon comply strike or not comply and it just becomes regular use of force. Ideally this is in a confined place murikami does this drill in a closet.